finishing.com logo
    HOME / sitemapFAQsBOOKSHelp WantedsAdvertiseContact   you are here: Hotline/Forum => Letter 4858
most fun in metal finishing

Coefficient of friction with steel greater than 0.9

.

I an a design engineer in the automotive field, working on a development project. I am looking for a material that has a coefficient of friction (static) with steel of 0.9 or greater. This material needs to be able to be formed, cut, punched, etc into a "washer" size piece (24 mm by about 1.0 mm thick) OR be a coating for powder metal/plate steel. If someone knows of such a material, I would appreciate any information you could forward.

brad p deleted
- Ontario, Canada


.

Since the coeff. of friction request (0.9) is kind of unusual, I wonder if you meant it to be 0.1. Because higher the coefficient, greater is the friction.

Mandar Sunthankar
- Fort Collins, Colorado


.

Soft rubber tires on dry asphalt might get you 0.9. Anything at all on steel, I can't even picture it, but I'll bet the railroads would be interested.

pic of Ted Mooney Teds signature
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey


.

Well Ted, you just gave us the nearest answer. A rubber coated steel disk may be? Brad could try a few similar coatings.

Mandar Sunthankar
- Fort Collins, Colorado


+++

It's not difficult to achieve a coefficient of friction greater than 1. Take a magnet as an example or metals that share electrons.

Larry P deleted
- Dothan, Alabama


+++

While that is good food for thought, Larry, I don't think it's actually correct. Coefficient of friction is, I believe, based on the normal force (perpendicular force), not the weight of the object; so a magnet does not increase the coefficient of friction, it proportionally increases both the normal force and the sliding force. By your argument for shared electrons you could weld the two pieces together as well, claiming a coefficient of friction in the millions.

pic of Ted Mooney Teds signature
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey

++++

Can you put "teeth" on the material so it would mesh as gears do? Alternatively, can pressure be applied against the material as in the operation of an automobile clutch?

Paul F deleted
- Colorado


++++++

What about static coefficient of rubber on steel? The conformable rubber embeds microscopically and Mu is over 1.0. Some pressure is required for this to take place, but I've seen it occur when rubber is used as a vibration damper between steel parts.

Ken K deleted
- Richmond, IN, USA


+++++++

If it is a washer between flat steel surfaces a double-sided tape of minimum thickness may serve your purpose if temperature is suitable

Sumit
- Pune, India


April 1, 2008

Mr. Mooney,

I believe that Larry P is correct in his statement. While the frictional force does depend on the normal force, it also depends on the coefficient of friction. The coefficient of friction is determined by the interaction between the matter of the two surfaces involved. A magnetic interaction is one type of interaction that can be considered here.

Justin Irving
- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


April 2, 2008

Hi, Justin. There is no doubt that magnetism can reduce slippage. When I was a kid, and that's a long time ago, Lionel added "magnetraction" to toy trains so the engine could pull a huge train without it's wheels slipping.

I am not an expert on this subject, so I don't want to engage in an "is not" / "is so" / "is not" argument on it; I'd much prefer if someone could point to a book as the referee. But I was taught that F = uN, and if the magnetic attraction increases the Normal, it increases the Force without involving a change in u.

Regards,

pic of Ted Mooney Teds signature
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey

January 29, 2009

Hi Ted,

You have it right there. The equation is F = uN. That is "Force", not weight. The magnetic attraction would add some force. This can be added to the force caused by the weight of the object.

However, magnetic force is usually tiny compared to just simply adding more weight, unless you happen to be going up a vertical wall. Or if you are working with very small objects, or you have a magnet that has a few million gauss strength.

Jeffrey Teo
- Singapore


June 11, 2009

In order for drag racing cars (wheel driven, not turbine powered) to accelerate faster than 1 g, they must produce a coefficient of friction between the tires and the tarmac that is greater than 1.

Chris Walter
- Traverse City Michigan


June 11, 2009

Yes, Chris. The present world record of 4.428 seconds would seem to indicate an acceleration of 4.18 g's, which would require a co-efficient of friction in excess of 4.18.

But when rubber tires are "burned out" so that they melt into the asphalt and fuse with it, it starts getting legitimate to question whether we are really talking about coefficient of friction anymore :-)

Regards,

pic of Ted Mooney Teds signature
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
ADD a Q or A to THIS thread START a NEW THREADView This Week's HOT TOPICS

disclaim

 seek

JobshopsCapital Equip. & Install'nChemicals & Consumables Consult'g, Train'g, SoftwareEnvironmental ComplianceTesting Svcs. & DevicesUsed & Surplus


©1995-2014 finishing.com     -    Privacy    -    Search