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44041
Nickel or Copper plating of internal
threads [UK]
February 16, 2007
One of our Graduate Engineers has been set the task of evaluating
whether the internal threads of steel fasteners could be built up by
plating in Nickel and Copper, and then machined back to the required
thread form while retaining sufficient strength to achieve a set pull
out test.
Internal diameters are in the order of 17mm.
I understand that proximity to the electrodes determine the amount of
deposit, so do you think this is possible?
How would the plating contractor achieve as uniform a coat as
possible so as to reduce the necessary machining to a minimum? or
would the deposit be concentrated on the thread crowns etc? Could he
shape the electrode, or would adjusting the voltage etc be of
benefit?
Regards,
Martin Rich
Ship Repair - Plymouth UK
February 16, 2007
I am very confident that very substantial pull out strength could
be achieved with electrolytic sulphamate nickel plating. But the
"then machined back" proviso of your inquiry is critical. There is no
way to not substantially distort the threads in this plating process.
The critical thing would seem to be that you must plate thick enough
to achieve at least the required root diameter on the thread. Whether
your tap could then follow that root diameter to restore the original
thread is a question though.
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Ted Mooney, P.E.
finishing.com
Brick, NJ
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February 23, 2007
Steel, copper and a marine environment is a very bad
combination.
Both electroplated copper and nickel will build up on the thread
points and jigging an internal anode on each 17mm part will be costly
and not solve the problem.
The answer seems to be electroless nickel. Good corrosion resistance,
no build up and the thickness can be controlled so machining back may
not be needed.
There should be a plating shop in your area with this process.
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Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England
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February 23, 2007
There is no doubt that electroless nickel would be much easier and
would deposit much more evenly than electrolytic nickel, Geoff. But
the same could be said for painting the holes or chocolate dipping
them :-)
The thing is, electrolytic nickel has been long and widely used
for load-bearing repairs of all sorts, and to fabricate load-bearing
electroforms. And my question is whether we can trust electroless
nickel plating as a load bearing element? I personally don't know and
would appreciate hearing if anyone has experience in this.
 Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, NJ
February 23, 2007
Electroless nickel is widely used in the offshore oil and
aerospace industries, particularly on threaded parts. It can be
hardened to 1000VPN. The geometry of a threaded joint imposes mainly
compressive stress to any coating.
On the other hand - chocolate tastes much better.
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Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England
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February 27, 2007
A good one this. One of the problems is getting adequate adhesion
of the plating material onto the threads; since it is the internal
thread of the fastener, I presume we are talking about the nut and
not the bolt. The first stage is to ensure the thread is adequately
cleaned - this could be a problem if the nuts are well used.
Secondly, you need sufficient adhesion and pull strength; this will
be dependent on the level of cleanliness achieved as well as the type
of metal being deposited. Finally, there is the problem of getting
the thread to be an exact replica of the orginal and to do this you
will need to retap the thread. If you decide to go on an electrolytic
route, you will need an internal anode to ensure good enough
distribution - you will also need very good agitation to get the
deposit in the bottom of the threads. However, if you use electroless
nickel, you won't have these problems. It will be difficult to retap
copper without some galling and retapping nickel can be horrendous -
have you ever tried to saw through a lump of nickel- it work hardens
at an alarming rate. Nickel will also gall. I do not knwo if
electroless nickel is easily machinable as I have never tried it, but
all things considered, I would have my first go with that - probably
medium phos nickel. You could also try an electroless nickel-PTFE
composite to give it some lubricity.
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Trevor Crichton
R&D practical scientist - UK
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February 27, 2007
Threaded inserts are sounding better and better :-)
 Ted Mooney, P.E. finishing.com Brick, NJ
March 14, 2007
Hi,
I know that some of the companies who were originally using hard
chrome on cylindrical parts now use electroless nickel. They were
grinding off hard chrome to get to the right dimensions so same may
be true about electroless nickel.
I think electrolyte sulphamate would serve the purpose but then you
will have highs and lows of thicknesses on tips and bottoms of the
internal threads. Getting auxiliary anodes for a 17mm part will be
tough.
Electroless nickel with PTFE should be the first call...
Thanks

Hemant Kumar
- Florida, USA
June 4, 2007
Certainly electroless nickel is the right choice for the job under
reference. We can have uniform build up of the thickness.areas where
where the coating is not required also can be masked. no buisiness of
auxilary anodes. also upon baking the hardness also will be incresed
and is on par with the hard chrome plating. electroless nickel is
replacing hard chrome in many load bearing applications. we
practically used electroless nickel for salvaging applications and
the machinability is quite good.
STG.S. RAMANUJAM
- Hyderabad, A.P, INDIA


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