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Jim Gorsich |
Jim, based on your frequent replies, I am assuming that you run a
professional shop, so will leave out the normal replies.
I always used a colwissa ( a piece of 1/4" cpvc) and sampled a rather
large number of places in the tank into a large beaker, mixed this
and took the sample from that.
It takes a large tank a long time to reach a true equilibrium, so are
samples taken at least an hout after any chemical or water
additions?
Orion, makes a fine instrument, but could it be overshooting or
undershooting the endpoint at least differently from day to day. The
titrant reaction with the aluminum content variability could affect
the outcome.
Drag in could be a factor unless all of the parts are the same.
Good luck in finding your gremlin.
Jim Watts
- FL
Hi Jim -
Have you considered stratification of the bath solution? If the
solution has gotten well aged and viscous or if your mixing is not
too good you might see this.
Terry Tomt
- Auburn, WA
Jim
We experience some similar situations from time to time.
In a past life in California, our anodize solution titrations were
fairly predictable. Type II anodize solution would lose volume
through dragout and the Type III would accumulate volume through
condensation. Acid concentration would drift lower and aluminum
content would steadily climb to 15+ g/l. The trend over many years
was consistent.
Now in Colorado, we see the aluminum content peak at 10 - 12 g/l with
occasional dips or spikes. The parameters are near the same- similar
concentration, same alloy cathodes, same temperature, same
maintenance- add acid (tech grade) as required, processing primarily
6000 series. Sometimes I think the aluminum content may be reaching
an equilibrium between that dissolved, and dragout, but something is
telling me this is not right. I expect our results to be similar to
CA results. We are running production parts in one tank, but all
three tanks demonstrate the same tendencies.
We titrate a 5 ml sample with 1.00 N NaOH for total, and again with
10 ml KF (10%) for free.
I would be interested as well in hearing about similar situations.
Willie Alexander
- Colorado Springs, CO
I much appreciate all the quick responses - my thanks to all three
of you.
I've toyed with the idea of sampling from various areas of the tank
before, but always just assumed that vigorous air agitation was
sufficient to make it unnecessary - based on the fact that 2 of you
both suggested similar things though, possibly I should rethink my
assumption.
The time it takes to reach equilibrium I've noticed before - in
retrospect I'd say that there is a fairly high probability that that
is factoring in... Thank you for pointing it out, it is definitely
possible that these extreme swings are just the product of
artificially high and low readings caused by the tank not settling
down yet after an addition.
It definitely sounds like I should look for the cause in areas like
the tank not yet being at equilibrium - it appears my long-shot guess
of some kind of buffering action is pretty unlikely, not too
surprising seeing how I've never heard of it happening
elsewhere!
For Willie - I've heard of an equilibrium being reached like what you
suspect, especially when the parts doing the dragout are racked in
such a manner as to encourage or discourage dragout (based on the
situation). It may be that the Colorado shop is racking the parts
differently, or that you are running differently shaped parts now. My
understanding is that if you can get such a equilibrium going it
turns out to be a great way to run a tank. I've never had the
opportunity to try it - the demands bulk anodizing puts on a tank
make that way to tricky!
For Jim - as an aside, I appreciate the compliment that you've
noticed my replies; I've picked up quite a bit from reading your's
over the years! Accurate Anodizing has beeen in business under
current ownersip for over 25 years, specializing in bulk anodizing
since we started. Our main focus is on automotive fasteners (there is
a reasonable chance that the rivets holding your windshield wipers on
were done by us!) but we also do aerospace and some straight
commercial stuff (my personal favorite is aluminum rings for
chain-maille).
I'm going to start watching the time between water or acid additions
and sampling a little tighter, it if turns out to be something else,
I'll post it for the sake of the discussion.
Thanks again!
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Jim Gorsich |

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