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Letter 39013
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Trent Kaufman |
DEAR SIR MAY BE I'M THINKING LOUD BUT IF YOUR BRASS CONTAINS ZINC /WHICH MAY CONTEMINATE YOU NICKEL TO DARK COLOUR/AND YOU MAY HAVE PITTING INPACE OF THE DISSOLVED ZINC , I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD USE A SPECIAL NICKEL BEFORE YOUR BRIGHT NICKEL OR A COPPER PLATING UNDER THE BRIGHT NICKEL . GOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS

Cair Shishani
aircraft maintenance - Abu Dhabi, UAE
First you want to find out what cause your roughness/pitting
problem. It could be separate reason.
ROUGHNESS as caused by particulate in solution-
During operations, get at least a liter of the solution. Run it thru
a fine laboratory filter paper and under a microscope, Check for
particulate matters.such as fine particles carbon,metals etc.( if no
or minimal amounts of particulates found go to the next step)
Particulates are introduce to the the solutions as follows:a)
airborne b) carbon Particles not completely filtered. C) Rip anode
bags d)a lot of undissolved materials at the bottom of the
tank.
Transfer entire solution into another tank using a 10-micron filter
or better. Check anode bags for rip or simply replaced them.Clean the
bottom of the tank.
ROUGHNESS as caused by cleaning procedure:
ANODIC Cleaning Of Brass at a higher voltage can cause preferencial
etching of Zinc at the grain bounderies and copper oxide formation.
Your acid rinse might not dissolve all of the oxide. Try skipping
this one and see what happens.
ROUGHNESS as caused by Chemistry imbalance-from above filtered
solution, run a HULL CELL test. Weigh the cathode before and after
the test to determine plating efficiency.After test check deposit for
roughness and pitting.(if none then your problem is one of the
above.)
Make adjustment as necessary.(better have your chemical supplier do
this for you.)
Low cathode effeciency might indicate Cross-contamination with chrome
solution.
Good Luck,
Hamilton Solidum
- Mays Landing, New Jersey
Thankyou everyone for your replies and suggestions. I will try to
address each poster's issues sequentially:
Gene Packman:
Yes, I am fairly certain that our cleaning process is not adequate.
This is evidenced by a ring of soil around the top of our acid dip. I
have tried four different cleaning processes in the past 6 months,
none of which have been particularly successful. Our supplier is
currently working on obtaining a new cleaning process for us,
although I'm not sure when that will happen. Consequently, we are
still struggling along using an inadequate one - I suppose this will
lead to more organics in the plating solution.
Mark Baker:
We have had the solution tested for both iron and copper
contamination, both were negligible. I don't think this is our
problem.
Yes, the filtration method is continuous carbon filtration. I don't
plate while packing the carbon on to the filter (it is done at the
end of each days' shift).
Trent Kaufman:
We haven't tried a batch carbon treatment, yet, although on the
advice of our supplier we are starting one today. He took a sample
and treated it with permanganate and carbon, and almost 10% of the
volume of the solution settled to the bottom as sludge.
Our filtration is 10,000 litres per hour on a 3200 litre solution.
This is just only slightly over your minimum of 3 turnovers/hours,
and with the amount of impurities we seems to be introducing, it
might be we need way more.
Cair Shishani
Dissolved zinc I'm not sure of, it wasn't tested with the iron and
copper (not sure why, must ask our supplier). Also we do dummy plate
quite often (usually weekly), so I'm not sure that metal
contamination would really be our problem.
Hamilton Solidum:
Unfortunately I don't have the lab. facilities here to do most of the
tests you speak of (I only wish I did! but I'm not sure the company
would fund it). I did try skipping the step of anodic cleaning, it
made no difference, so I'm fairly certain it's not that.
We do have some minor amounts pitting on the hull cell test, but
nowhere near the problem we have on the production parts. This leads
me to wonder if the problem is mostly not in the nickel, but in the
cleaning or other pre-treatment, and if so how it could be solved (I
and my supplier are running out of ideas).
Unfortunately because of our location we are pretty much tied to one
supplier, unless we deal with one whose local rep is based in another
city, or even interstate.
Regarding the cleaning system, we run at a maximum temperature of
70ºC (158ºF), but still experience some
discolouring/darkening (I assume this is dezincification?) of the
brass. For a short time we had a cleaner @ 90ºC (194ºF)
which discoloured the brass even worse, but seemed to clean
well.
Today we commence the batch treatment with KMnO4 and carbon hopefully
that will bring some good results.
Sorry for all the what seem like stupid questions, my former
background is electroless nickel plating on aluminium and I don't
know a terrible lot about either brass or bright nickel plating. Once
again thank-you for all your help.
John Reid
- Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Dear John,
You have 3 issues to solve.
1.Roughness
2.Pitting
3.Colour of the soln- Brown green.
All three problems relates to poor maintanance of your bath and shop
floor.
1.Roughness:due to dragged in particle/dust from air/fallen Ni
particles/Ni. anode particles from the anode bags etc.-Keep you shop
floor dust free.Run a heavy magnet thru the bottom of the tank to
remove needle like pices of Nickel anode,Take out all your anode
baskets and clean.Wash anode bags/replace old bags with new.Clean the
air agitation pipe and check for entrapped forign particles.See to it
that actvated carbon does not escape to the tank from the filter
pack-this also causes roughness!.
2.Pitting : Due to dragin of oil,due to excess additives,imbalance in
boric acid etc.Best way is to carbon treat with care.Try the
following for a while-See that you clean the filter say after every 4
hours of carbon run.There is a chance that adsorbed organics is left
out by the activated carbon after 3-4 hours.Overnight carbon filter
may cause re introduction of organics back in the bath.
3. Coulor of the soln brown-green: usually related to iron impurity
though u plate brass items!. Why take a chance.Give the bath a high
pH (above 5.5) treatment.Here also u have to be careful.Use high
grade Nickel carbonate to increase the pH.Remeber to clean the filter
before u reduce the pH to operating level.Or else the trapped iron
will dissolve escape in to the bath.Lastly If u have a spare
tank,tranfer the soln,clean the working tank thouroughly and
restart.
john,do all this.You will be out of all your problems
Good luck.
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T.K. Mohan |
John,
As you said, your hull cell test doesn't show as much pitting as your
production parts. It may indicate that your problem is the part
itself. to test this, I recommend attaching a Brass Hull Cell panel
along with your production parts.If both of them have the same amount
of pitting, Run a second test with 1/2 half the current density. See
what the results are. Obviously, if the brass hull cell panel Plates
good then it is your production parts.
I did a lot of bright Nickel on highly polished brass surface(Casted
Products). I used Brass Hull Cell panel as test pieces(Bent Cathode
test and leveling characteristics) along side with the production
pieces. If the test panels don't come out right, then I would
concentrate on the Process.
I end up doing the casting myself.
Good Luck,
Hamilton Solidum
- Mays Landing, New Jersey
Stop using carbon,only use filter powder. Carbon treating requires
heating to 140 degrees F. pumping over to a treatment tank, lowering
ph, adding peroxide and sprinkling filter powder on top then let it
settle for about six hours. Then pump the top clear solution back
into your plating tank before it can cool making sure you aren't
pumping the dirty precipitate off the bottom. Just putting carbon in
a filter doesn't make sense.
Here is what I would do. Get some clean steel plates about 3ft x 3ft.
Bend them into a nice 180 degree concave horizontally and plated them
in you tank at 1 to 2 volts and no agitation overnight. Next morning
pull them out very slowly and see what kind of junk you have in the
low density areas.You may want to let the tank settle for a day or
two.Your problem may be caused by initial blow out every time you
repack and start your filter.You may find out you don't have to run
that filter nearly as much as you think.Make sure your air coils are
about 2 to 3 inches above the bottom of your tank so as not to stir
up debris from the bottom of the tank. I don't know if this will help
you but it seems to work for me with this kind of problem. Good luck,
Frank
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Thanks everyone for your advice. Just to follow-up, we (mostly)
have this problem solved. In the majority of cases, it ends up having
nothing to do with the nickel solution at all, but rather the
preceeding steps. It seems we are frequently getting some kind of
floating contamination in our water rinses, acid dip and microetch
solutions. I have not yet confirmed the source of this
contamination.
Usually, when the problem begins to appear, I go through each tank in
the line prior to the nickel, take a sample of them and inspect for
contaminants, then replace the one I consider most likely to be
causing the problem. Unfortunately this can get quite expensive in
terms of waste removal and new chemicals in the case of the
acid/microetch solutions, and also water for the rinse tanks (not to
mention, we are currently in the worst drought for 100 years
here).
If anyone could give me suggestions on what the source of these
contaminants might be, it would be much appreciated.
So far I have considered it could be incoming water quality, nickel
flaking off plated racks or swarf coming off machined parts (we do
plate some of these in addition to the polished components previously
mentioned.
Thanks,
John Reid
Plating Shop - Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Well I have the same problem on high polished brass parts, and I
didnt find the answer yet, but the customer that send me the parts
pissed off and decided to go to another shop because we couldnt
deliver on time and at the beginning everything was very well but now
he is back because he started to have the same problem. I saw you
have done lot of efforts triying to solve the horrible problem (more
than me) I noticed that the problem doesnt have a pattern in my case,
and you haven't solved it at all, (I dont know how either) but the
things that I saw was:
1) In my case it happens on parts that have holes, (I suspect that
they get buffing compound in to those holes and are dificult to
remove from there, usually alkaline cleaners are too bad removing
solid buffing compounds, I did not saw you using solvents on your
proccess) my hypotesis is that fat and greasy components of the
buffing compounds are enttraped in to the holes and the wetter agent
of the bath make then soluble in water then that cause the pitting
problem but as you see I have this problem yet because I didnt have
changed my cleaning proccess yet.
2) once upon a time there seems that everything was under control and
the method that worked pretty much closer to that was when to change
everithing that could be etching the brass befor the bath. specially
the acid dips because if you
use HCL dip and you use the same line for ferrous parts it can appear
ferrous chloride on the acid dip and that etch the brass, very
similar to you.
3) we add cyanide flash before nickel thinking that the zinc was
attacked in some part of the procces including the bath and it worked
well for a small period of time or the pitting problem was in some
way improved but with copper or not it appeared again later.
I hope this give you any idea I would like to know what do you think
about it and maybe we can find a solution.
Daniel Hernandez Guerra
- Bucaramanga Colombia
Well, I run many test with cleaning with solvents and in my case
that wasnt the problem, so I tried a different approach.
I remember that some day reading the ASM HandBook of metals I saw
some advice about zinc die castings, and if the casting had 40% or
more of zinc it must be plated with a layer of copper of a 5 um
minimum so I did it I applied copper and the problem
dissapeared.
hope work with you
The problem wasnt in my preparation, it was that the pieces were not
uniform in the mix!!!!
Daniel Hernandez Guerra
- Bucaramanga, Colombia

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