Letter 22177

Old Copper Fire Extinguishers

(2003)

I found a couple of those old presumably copper water filled fire extinguishers in my grand fathers attic...can some one tell me how to polish them, I've seen them about and they are quite the eye catcher...I've rubbed endlessly with little results.

Warmest regards and thank you,

Bene B [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Orland Park, IL, USA


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They are good looking units aren't they. I have one hanging on my living room wall for many years now. These were baking soda, acid fire extinguishers. To activate you turned them upside down, dumping the baking soda into the acid water. You can easily see this effect by putting baking soda into vinegar in your kitchen.

The results of the mixing were the production of Carbon dioxide gas, and pressure to propel the liquid at the fire, and some extinguishing through the production of the carbon dioxide.

Many of these old copper and brass extinguishers were coated with lacquer to retain their brightness as they hung in both the office and shop areas of businesses.

Try first washing the outside with either lacquer thinner [link is to product info at Amazon], MEK / methyl ethyl ketone [link is to product info at Amazon], or Acetone [link is to product info at Rockler]. BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL, as all of these are highly flammable solvents. Be sure to remove the hose as these solvents will eat the rubber hose alive. Then after removal of the lacquer coating polish with a good quality copper and brass cleaner. To keep it looking nice for many years thereafter, re-apply the clear lacquer coat

Hope that helps !

Martin M [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
sports mfg. - St. Louis, MO, USA

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I want to shine up four antique brass and copper fire extinguishers. I am strictly a hobbyist. They are now highly tarnished. I am a bit worried about some advice that I just got, and would like to check it out. I was told to evenly wipe a coat of muriatic acid onto the extinguishers. Then to rinse them with a hose. Then to Use something called Nutra Sol, mixed with water, to neutralize the acid, and rinse it down again. I would obviously do this outside, and wearing protective gloves and clothing. What is your advice? Will it work, or will I not be able to neutralize all the acid? Is there a better agent to use than muriatic acid? What would you recommend as a base to neutralize the acid. I appreciate your advice and will take it.

Thank you very much.

Melvin M [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
hobbyist - Burke, Virginia, USA

 


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I have cleaned up several of them and they were very tarnished i just used a cleanser polish the one i used was called Barkeepers Friend [link is to product info at Amazon]. it is specifically for copper brass stainless It is a powder form i used this to take the heavy tarnish off then i followed up with a liquid polish called Brasso [link is to product info at Amazon] and yes you will have to rub and rub and rub a lot just takes a little time if you have patience I'm sure you can do it

Chris I [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Irvine Ca U.S.A


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The best way to get a great shine on those brass or chrome extinguishers is to take them to a metal polishing shop. Just make sure to tell them that the wheel has to turn AWAY from the edges of any of the labels. Then have them dip them in the clear coat that they use. Should cost you about $60.00 tops,but you will have an unbelievable finish that will last for years.

Ronald R [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Pomona, Calif


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When I was in the Navy we used never dull and bug juice (kool aid) usually yellow or orange color due to the color. It worked well for navy copper and brass. Never used it on fire extinguishers.

Good luck.

Brian O [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Highspire, PA, USA


April 11, 2007

Hi Bene,

I'm not sure from the date of your original post if you've done anything to that copper extinguisher, but if you're still deciding, I have to agree with Ronald P., from Pomona, Calif. I worked at a metal polishing shop and I restored two very similar old copper "Alert" extinguishers while I worked there. They came out looking fantastic. I converted them into floor lamps and I use them to this day. One sits next to me at my computer!! I did them over seven years ago and they still look incredible. So, I'd suggest taking it to a good shop, you'll save yourself a ton of time and it'll come out looking tens times better than if you did it yourself. Be sure to have it spray lacquered (several coats)immediately after it is polished, the shop should be able to do that as well. If you do get this message, you should update us on which decision you made, and send in a photo of how the extinguisher turned out. I'd be interested... Good luck with it.

David De Ridder
- East Quogue, NY, USA


May 7, 2007

Do not use MEK. This solvent though very good is highly hazardous, you need to use a protective mask, goggles, and gloves. You can use a very mild acid to clean off highly tarnished areas. Again follow directions carefully.

Howard Richards
- Ingleside, IL, USA


August 6, 2007

Yes, MEK is absorbed through the skin and can cause liver failure... nasty stuff... when i polished mine i used Top Brite... its non abrasive and works wonders on brass, copper, silver, gold pretty much anything.

Can anyone tell me what kind of acid was used in these extinguishers?

Brian James
- Boston Massachusetts


August 10, 2007

Vinegar is an acid and fairly mild. That is used for acetic mild reactions(about 20%). A stronger acid would producer a larger reaction, causing more pressure.

2 safe ways to clean brass, copper, gold, or most tarnished items, start with pepper sauce. Yes, Tabasco!! it cleans it very well (it has vinegar in it) and follow up with mayonnaise, which has vinegar too. The oil in it will leave a gloss. This will protect the finish. it is a regular item, need to polish often, after all, it is copper and/or brass.

Norman Stephan
- Atlanta, GA USA


September 6, 2007

I have the same one almost, it had a green paint on it that I thought was tarnish,so I wheeled it like I would do a truck aluminum fuel tank.I put my 2 vector variable speed angle grinder-polishers in 2 vises. one with a yellow united pacific 8' airway pad the other with a united white pad, i use a 2 lb block of jacksonlea brown (tripoli) rouge with the yellow pad which is course to get the heavy stuff off then a jacksonlea green 2 lb block to take the swirl marks out, then wipe polish with my Brooklyn ball busters best aluminum polish and a terry cloth rag, when it's cool /damp out it take a few minutes to dry, a old timer showed me a shortcut, i get a coffee can and fill it with flour, i dip a dry rag in the flour and wipe it off.
the flour pulls the oxidation out a little better, dries it off faster and keeps your hands cleaner.
DON'T BUFF TO HARD, I found out that they're not really copper, mine is copper coated.
happy polishing.
Rick

Richard Masculine
- Middletown, NY


January 6, 2008

I have a 2.5 gallon Elkhart Brass extinguisher that has recently developed pin holes and a white powder-like substance on the outside. I assume that the acid water and soda may still be in it. How do I clean this? or to whom do I take it? Thanks for any advice.

Roger Gombert
- Stockton, CA, USA


April 28, 2008

I just picked up 5 of these copper extinguishers to clean up and hang in my Fire Station. I've been using Brasso [link is to product info at Amazon], a Dremel with polishing pads, and towels for a combo of power and hand polish. Works Great

Tim Jones
- Newington, CT, USA


May 6, 2008

Hi,
I used a bottle of ketchup on a very tarnished large copper cow weather vane. I wasn't even sure it was copper, it was so tarnished. Brush the ketchup on and let it stand for about 30 mins, rinse, then polish it up! No gloves or goggles necessary.

Connie Cleek
- Louisburg, KS, USA


August 1, 2008

I recently bought an old extinguisher and I liked the patina or tarnished look on it. My husband cleaned and polished it. I want the patina back on it. How do I do that? And if it was worth anything is it worthless now?

Jacklyn Ewry
- Greenfield, Ohio United States


August 4, 2008

Hi, Jacklyn. It will not stay bright if it's not lacquered, so you won't have to wait long for it to loose the lustre. You could just leave it be for a month or two. But you can accelerate the tarnishing by spritzing with vinegar and salt, or even a very dilute washing with liver of sulphur (this can turn it brown-black very quickly).

If this were a Roman coin or a civil war artifact, removing the tarnish could seriously devalue it. These fire extinguishers are cute old collectible items, but they are not precious, and I seriously doubt that anyone considers the natural tarnish to be of historic value. Maybe in another hundred years. For now, some people prefer bright and some people prefer tarnished.

Regards,


Ted Mooney, P.E. 
finishing.com
Brick, New Jersey


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