Letter 21483

Question on refinishing cymbals [Michigan] 

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Can anyone tell me if you can refinish cymbals (Brass)? I have some cymbals that are starting to turn dark and they have small green and dark spots on them. I tried some brass cleaning solutions that cleaned them a little, but I want them to shine like the day I bought them. Also, is there way to color cymbals? Paiste had cymbals that were colored and I wanted to know how they did it or can it be done on existing cymbals. So if anyone can help me out, it would be appreciate it.

Thanks!!

David P [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Dearborn, Michigan, USA


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As a long time drummer, I have some answers for you. You can clean your cymbals with Brasso [link is to product info at Amazon] or a similar product, but it will take a lot of work, and you should go with the grain of the cymbal. But before you do, consider this - cleaning your cymbals will change the sound(pitch) of them, is this what you want? I had a jazz instructor who only bought used cymbals from pawn shops because he thought they had the best sound. I found that he was right and I haven't cleaned my cymbals since (20 years). As far as the coloring goes I remember Paiste offering colored cymbals, but never heard of anyone doing it to old cymbals.

Hopes this helps.

Alan K [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Crete, IL, USA


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Cleaning won't change the sound of the cymbal in the why that you might think. Cleaning cymbals only brightens them, back to the sound as which you bought them. The gunk is oxidized metal and dirt. It causes the the cymbal to vibrate or resonate differently. I like my cymbals clean. I bought them because I liked the sound that came from them off the shelf.

John C [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Riverside, CA, USA


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Do not clean your cymbals with that brass stuff it costs money. Just clean your cymbals with a simple cotton rag (non-abrasive) and some dish soap. it does wonders. I've been doing it for 25 years and my cymbals look brand new and sound the same too.

Miguel H [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Burbank, CA, USA


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I think cymbals should be shiny and clean that's why I clean mine... I've been doing it for 37 years.. Hi Miguel I know you. how are you?

Tim N [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Burbank, CA, US of A


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I just wanted to say that I used just about everything out there until I found Countertop Magic. This stuff works great. I tested it out on the mud guards on my jeep and it last ten times longer than armor all. Try it once and you will get hooked.

Seth W [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Michigan

Ed. note: Not sure how being good for mud flaps translates into being good for cymbals, but there it is.


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I'm an American sittin down here in Malaysia for 25 years, got a rock and roll bar and grill, I own 4 drum sets but really play guitar. Got all sorts wackin my drums and I'm the one who maintains them and cleans them. Sittin in the tropics and outdoor gigs really git the cymbals funky. Sweaty hands take'n them down take their toll. I've worked my butt off tryin to clean them with all the name brand polishes and cleaners.I always let them go too long between cleans too! A local Malaysian drummer gave me this little recipe...tamarind paste! ??? huh? Tamerind tree nuts is like a date palm and this is the paste from it's date-like nuts.It's used in cooking a lot of Asian dishes.

Take a basin with enough water to cover your cymbal and put a hand full of this tamerind paste in an mix it around.Put your cymbal in for about 10-15 minutes and it comes out shining!It must be an acidic reaction.Don't do too long cause they'll turn pink!Locals use it for cleaning brass bits and it really works!If ya can find the stuff. I git it by the pound for next to nothin down here. No scrubbin or nothin just rinse off with water after.


mark ruffin

- melaka Malaysia


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Hello my name is Alex

I would like to know how to clean my cymbals properly!

I have got new cymbals from Zildjian and I got Zildjian cymbal cleaners too. I've done it once but it seems to removing a green kind of dust?

I would like to know how to clean it properly if that's alright.

Thanks

Alex I [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
drummer - Sunshine Coast, Qld, Australia


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Ultra bright toothpaste works really on brass cymbals and gives them that shimmering look.

Billy M [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- Beverly Hills, California, USA

Ed. note: Letters 18876 and 18885 are also about cymbals.


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This shop I know of has a "hot tank" they use to boil out radiators, gas tanks etc. I was thinking about taking an old cast off cymbal to them for a dip and see what happens. I believe the solution would be caustic, but the question would be how aggressive it is, and then possible after effects, like turning black or something. Obviously I have been too chicken to seriously look into this at least so far...

Mike F [last name deleted for privacy due to age of posting]
- St. Joseph, MO, USA


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It's not a good idea, Mike. Hot strong caustic will "dezincify" brass.


Ted Mooney, P.E. 
finishing.com
Brick, New Jersey


September 3, 2007

Building cymbal cleaning machine out of sears grinding machine! Hello there! I been looking forever trying to get the right stuff to take off the bad sludge that attacks my grooves. I took apart a grinder from sears, but the cymbal will not lock down tight enough to hold from spinning. It was a good idea,but still needs more work as somebody in the world could make this tool for all the non-shiny cymbals out there. Perhaps putting hole in the top will do it , but don't know about losing the pitch or the sound? somebody please come up with product other than elbow grease! Maybe the cymbal co.'s Would not like the machine but we will still require polishing paste so all will benefit. Maybe there's a company out there that cleans them for a price!i Once took them to car wash to get detailed, but was not as good as the work I done on them. So, still waiting for some better idea's! Thanks

TOMMY FLANAGAN
DRUMMER LOOKING FOR SOLUTION! - WEEHAWKEN, NJ, USA


October 16, 2007

I have search high and low for a cleaning solution for my husbands cymbals. I checked around and found bar keepers friend ( sorta the consistancy of comet) but made for brass etc. I cleaned a heavily oxidized cymbal to a bright shine in about 20 minutes. When I say heavy oxidization I mean it! I am a glass artist and I regularily polish zinc, brass and copper but I have never cleaned anything this bad. For the really bad stuff on the first polish, I made a slighly liquid paste and put it on, waited about 5 minutes then rinsed it off, then I diluted it more and scrubbed with the grain of the cymbal, I kept watering it down with a spray bottle until it was shiny! both sides too. Then I followed it up with my stained glass finishing compound which took off the really fine corrosion and will protect the finish for months!.....he liked it alot and now he wants me to do the rest! Great.

Michelle St. Denis
- Tulsa, OK, USA


March 13, 2008

I have a pair of Zildian ZHT hi-hat cymbals that are only a few months old. I used to use Brasso which worked well, but I couldn't find it and think I just made a big mistake. I used Tarn-x and it is completely removing the gold finish and turning it to more of a silver-looking finish. I have to use it to finish it now as the color is too different to stop. Has anyone used this before, and am I right that I really screwed up? Thanks.

Spencer Gary
- San Antonio, Texas, USA


April 3, 2008

I've played for over 25 yrs, and have tried many different compounds, polishes, cleaners, ect ad nauseam. The best thing I've found (and it works on both the natural finish, and brilliant finish cymbals) is a two part system. First clean the cymbal with Barkeepers Friend [link is to product info at Amazon] (real cheap). I spray the cymbal with water, then lightly sprinkle the powder on the cymbal. Using a damp sponge clean with the lathing grain, then rinse with water and towel try. If it is really dirty, repeat the first step. Now use a cymbal specific polish, and follow the directions on the polish. The one thing I found out is that once you clean the cymbal, it is much easier to polish, and it uses less polish (more economical :o)). I recently bought a cymbal from a guy who never cleaned his for sonic reasons. It was that dark bronze (almost brown) color, and after about an hour it looked like I just bought it. The only down side to this process is that the printing will probably come off. This doesn't really bother me, but it might to others. I hope this helps. Keep slammin!!

James McDonald
- St. Charles, MO


May 7, 2008

Just so everyone knows, Cymbals are made of bronze, not brass. Nice professional cymbals are of "bell bronze", an 80% copper, 20% tin alloy, while most beginner cymbals (even the Sabian B8 "pro" series) are 92% copper, 8% tin. Brass is copper and zinc.

The green oxidation is called patina, and it makes the cymbals sound warmer. Some people like this. Personally, I don't clean my cymbals unless I plan to sell them. And even then, I am careful with abrasive cleaners such as brasso, because they will take the logos off very quickly.

Paiste cymbals should only be cleaned with dish soap and water, because they come from the factory with a clear protective coating. FYI, the copper/tin ratios in some Paiste cymbals differ from other brands, but it's still bronze.

Having said all that, there are some extremely cheap cymbals which I believe are made of brass...

Ryan Shelledy
- Kansas City, MO, USA


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