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Alodine 600 vs. Alodine 1200

 

Dear Sirs,

What is difference between Alodine 600 and Alodine 1200, application, properties? Can Alodine 600 be used as alternate for Alodine 1200? Thanks for your attention

Best regards,

Eri Rusli
- Jakarta, Indonesia


 

Eri:

You sent me scampering back to the archives on this one. Some facts first:

Alodine 1200S~ Powdered Material
Spray Application
Used 6.3 lbs./100 Gallons
Temp: 70-100 degrees F.
Time: 15 Sec. to 1 minute.
Color: Light Iridescent gold to Tan, depending on aluminum alloy.

Alodine 600~ Powdered Material
Spray or Immersion Application
Used: 12.5 lbs./100 Gallons
Also: 9.9 lbs./100 Gals.(Toner 22)
Toner not used to meet Class 3 of AMSC5541 [link is to spec at TechStreet].
Color: Light Iridescent Gold to Tan, depending on aluminum alloy.

The differences seen are that the #600 can be applied by an immersion dip, while the #1200 is applied by spray. A toner is used with the #600 and not with the 1200S I hope this helps.

Ed Budmanbudman signature
Ed Budman
- Pennsylvania


 

Eri,

Mr Budman is correct in his answer about the concentrations of both chemicals. But both can be used in Spray or Immersion applications. The primary difference in the two chemicals is the issue of coating weight. The Alodine 1200 will produce a heavier film than the 600 will. The Aerospace industry uses the 600 chemical on areas that require electrical bonding.

Thanks I hope this helps.

Steve Adams
- Cedar City, Utah


 

Hello,

I'm currently using Alodine 1200 for electrical bonding, according to Steve, Alodine 600 is better for this application. But is the Alodine 600 resistant to corrosion? The equipments concerned are to be embedded in an aircraft and must resist salt spray.

Thanks

Véranith LY
equipment manufacturer - Toulouse, FRANCE


 

Hello,

The Alodine 600 resists the corrosion. Alodine 1200, 1200S, 1201 shall be used where maximum corrosion protection is required for surfaces to be painted or left unpainted.

Alodine 600, 1000 shall be used for corrosion protection where low electrical resistance is required and the installation and assembly it must be accomplished within 24 hour limit.

Don't forget exposed electrically bonded assemblies or installations shall be sealed.

Jose Manuel
- Sevilla, España


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Hello,

Is there anybody who have paint adhesion problem on Alodine 1200S? Is this Alodine 1200S's nature, missed surface preparation before paint application or wrong inorganic treatment application?

Thanks for your helps.

Barýþ KIRKAYAK
- Ankara,TURKIYE


March 31, 2008

Yes, I have faced terrible paint adhesion issues when dealing with Alodine 1200S. Would you like to know more?

Shazli RANI
SME Aerospace Malaysia - Sg Buloh, Selangor MALAYSIA


July 24, 2008

What is the difference between these two treatments. In which situation do we use Alodine 1200 instead of Alodine 1200S ?

ANDRE TORTOCHAUT
product designer - FRANCE


July 26, 2008

Hi, folks. letter 3369 includes an explanation which should answer your immediate question. But in the end, these are not generic terms; they are Henkel trade names so they mean whatever Henkel decides they mean. Good luck.

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey


July 20, 2011

Our customer engineering drawing calls out Alodine 600 per BAC5719 type 1 class D, while our facility only have Alodine 1200S of BAC5719 type 1 class A. So we are wondering whether we can substitute Alodine 600 type 1 class D with Alodine 1200S type 1 class A?

Marshall Zhang
engineer in special process - Nanchang, China

First of two simultaneous responses -- July 25, 2011

You absolutely can not substitute one for the other. What you can "try" to do is to get your customer to get written permission or a waiver.
If you are given a spec to comply with, you can not certify the product unless you comply with the spec.
10 years ago, Boeing was very very reluctant to allow a substitution for anything that was in their specs.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


Second of two simultaneous responses -- July 26, 2011

You cannot just substitute one product for another without first obtaining customer approval to do so. This is especially true for Aerospace applications where any change may have catastrophic effects on aircraft performance.

Saying that, Alodine 1200S may well be acceptable, but don't do anything until you get customer approval.

Brian Terry
aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, United Kingdom

February 22, 2012

Whether Alodine 600 reacts with interfaying sealant PR870 C12.
Kindly clarify.

Vadivel Sundaram
- Bangalore, India


February 22, 2012

Hi Vadivel.

You can contact Henkel to see what they say. For a number of reasons our readers are hesitant to respond to abstract questions; so please explain your situation. Thanks!

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey

August 1, 2012

Hello folks!

Alodine 1200S can be replaced by 600 as far as I know.

Best Regards

BEATRIZ ENRIQUEZ
- Chihuahua, Mexico


December 12, 2012

Q. Can anyone please post the required parameters of Alodine 1000 vs the Alodine 1200 as presented from the previous posts. Thank you.

Roger Palma
- Clark Freeport Zone, Pampanga, Philippines


December 12, 2012

A. Hi Roger. Alodine is a tradename for Henkel products and they are free to change the formulation, the operating parameters, or anything else at any time. Thus, although it can be interesting to get general impressions from users, we should not rely on years-old postings for operating parameters; please request a current technical data sheet from Henkel. Good luck.

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey

December 19, 2012

thumbsup2Thank you for the feedback Ted. Best Regards.

Roger Palma
- Clark Freeport Zone Pampanga, Philippines

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