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Cleaning copper apple butter & candy kettles

Q. I have some copper kettles my late husband and I used to use. Any advice on how to clean them up?

Thanks!

Q. I have a bushel size copper kettle used by my grandparents in Frederick, Maryland area. I want to restore this and need some advice. Thanks

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Q. I bought a very crusty copper apple butter kettle that needs some help. Right now there isn't a single hint of copper color or that nice patina showing through. And no, I don't want it to be shiny copper - just to get it to not look solid black! How can I get some of its 90 years of dirt off?

Q. I just shipped 2 large copper kettles (used for apple butter). These will go in my kids houses for storing firewood. I want to keep the natural copper finish and not lacquer them. How can I clean them up, they look pretty sad. thanks

Q. I have a apple butter kettle that got to hot when they last used it and now it is burned a little on the inside. Does anyone know how to clean that up so you can use it again?

Q. I have a copper apple butter kettle that belonged to my Great-Great grandmother. My great-aunt had it and painted the outside black and some dripped around the inside edges. Any suggestions on getting the black paint removed? Also, I have tried vinegar, Salt and Ketchup methods of cleaning. It made a big difference but, it still has a more of a gold shine rather than the copper I was expecting. Is this normal?

Q. We have been making apple butter for several years now. Before putting the kettle on the fire, we painted the outside with a solution of "ZUD" [adv: Zud on eBay or Amazon] and water. After the apple butter is "flavored" "jarred" and sealed, we turn a hose on the kettle and we have a beautiful copper kettle. Question: where can we find ZUD [adv: Zud on eBay or Amazon], or what is equal to it w/o damage to the kettle? Thanks.

Q. I recently purchased a vintage copper fire extinguisher which I was planning to convert into a copper kettle, however after opening the cap, I noticed that the inside has a thick coat of zinc or tin alloy that possibly contains lead. I took a torch to it, and melted away the thick areas, but I think for the complete removal of the coating, I'll need to use some sort of chemical method, that will leave the copper intact.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance, Joe

A. Hi Joe. To each their own, but a safety rule that I personally believe in is to not use anything for food service that wasn't intended for food service.

First, we often don't know for sure what the coating is. Lead, mercury, cadmium in the coating? Even if you get it all off are you sure that the copper/brass wasn't leaded for machinability? And that it similarly is free of selenium, tellurium, or beryllium sometimes used in copper alloys? I don't know enough about fire extinguishers to know if there are further possible toxicities.

Second, no researcher or epidemiologist anywhere is tracking this stuff, correlating possible illnesses to the use of fire extinguishers as kettles, so we have no data to go on and are producing no data for the next person to go on. Finally, copper is only food-safe for limited applications, excluding any acidic foods.

Sorry, too risky for me, but diluted hydrochloric (muriatic) acid [on eBay or Amazon] will quickly dissolve zinc without much effect on copper. Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey

William Heyser copper kettles

Q. Does anyone have or has seen a large apple butter copper kettle signed by William Heyser, Chambersburg, PA?

I believe this kettle was made by Jacob Heyser, brother of William Heyser II, and sold by William Heyser (nephew to William Heyser II and son of Jacob) around 1835.

William Heyser is well known for copper tea kettles.

Thanks, EJ

Hi EJ.

We welcome your question, EJ, but the main focus of this site is metal finishing (plating, polishing, painting, powder coating, anodizing) so it attracts mostly people who are skilled, experienced, and interested in metal finishing rather than people who have insight into the history of specific collectibles. Such a person hopefully will come by and help you out, but we'd suggest also posting on "collectibles" sites :-)

Luck and Regards,

Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey

A. EJ- there is a marked W. Heyser kettle for sale on EBay currently. I just saw it for sale today.

Ashlee Henderson
- Tulsa, Oklahoma
September 15, 2014

Q. I have a large copper kettle and I would like to get all the black off the outside. Is anyone able to give me a solution? Thanks.

A. Hi William. Try vinegar [in bulk on eBay or Amazon] plus salt: very gentle to humans, very harsh to copper. If that doesn't do it, you'll need some buffing compound [on eBay or Amazon] applied via a buffing pad [on eBay or Amazon] in a battery operated drill [on eBay or Amazon] . Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey

Q. I inherited a copper lined kettle my grandparents, used to make apple butter. It appears that the copper lining seam where the bottom of the kettle meets the sides has spread apart or worn away exposing the metal underneath. Is this kettle safe to use in its current condition? Is it repairable? If so, who can repair it?

A. Hi Larry. I'm not sure that it's ever been "safe". To my understanding, copper is not a "food-safe" material for many foods so the kettle should have tin properly hot wiped onto it. Please search the site for "tin plating of copper pots".

Sorry, I don't know who would offer that kind of repair and coating service these days, nor whether apple butter us one of the foods which copper is safe for. Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey

Cleaning an antique brass tray

Q. Hi. I found an antique molded decorative plate circa 1910 that looks like brass. I've tried mild cleaning solution with vinegar and baking soda to no effect. There are lots of small black spots and a general mottled appearance. Something must have spilled on it recently because there are patches of very bright brass. (Isopropyl rubbing alcohol?) I don't know if it's plated or what it would take to strip it, and if that would create more of a problem. Thanks.

A. Hi Naomi. You've sort of implied some questions but haven't actually directly asked one, so it's not really clear to me what you are thinking of doing or why :-(

Because the pattern on the outside is the same as the inside, it appears to be a stamping rather than a casting. I don't know the history of items like this, but from the look of it, it's probably either a solid copper stamping, or it's a copper plated steel stamping -- a magnet should tell you which (steel is magnetic).

If it's plated steel, be grateful that the condition isn't worse and, beyond trying Brasso [on eBay or Amazon] or similar polish, don't touch it.

If it's solid copper you are probably free to try to clean and/or polish it as you wish. Vinegar alone probably won't do much, but if you add salt, or if use ketchup or hot sauce or soy sauce (all of which combine acid with salt) it should remove a lot of the tarnish. You can also polish it with polishing compound [on eBay or Amazon] and a buffing disk [on eBay or Amazon] on a low power cordless drill [on eBay or Amazon] , or you can send it to a shop.

Regards,

Q. I have a very large, old copper kettle we use for making apple butter. This year, we had some of the apple butter and/or sugar burn in the bottom. I am guessing my helpers didn't quite stir completely.

Anyway, I now have this patch of burnt sugar/apple butter on the inside. What is the best way to remove the burnt sugar/apple butter?