How wrinkle paint works, page 2
Q. I have been using Black Wrinkle Paint for Fiberglass Gun Stocks, sold in 12 oz. spray cans. It is only available in black.
What I need is a source for a good wrinkle paint in a medium to darker gray, a forest green and maybe a darker brown. It would be nice to find in bulk to spray out of a gun.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.John Berish
- New Salem, Pennsylvania
A. To get a wrinkle finish, you can spray a base coat of lacquer paint with an over coat of enamel (it think that is the order but it may be the other way around). The solvent in the enamel causes the lacquer to dissolve, as the enamel tries to dry, the surface tension pull stretches, but the underlying layer is liquid and allows it to bunch, or wrinkle. This is the same method that was used on Atwater Kent Radio Equipment in the 20s. For those who play with this old equipment, you'll notice the valleys in the paint are darker while the surface paint is brown or gold, this is due to the black lacquer underneath.Michael Miller
A. Those of you looking for brown wrinkle paint should try the manufacturers of machinists toolboxes. I believe they have touchup paint available.Bill Bourdon
- Labadie, Missouri
Q. I'm also looking for the brown wrinkle paint and was told today by the toolbox company that the EPA will not allow them to sell the wrinkle touch up paint for their tool box. They now powder coat their boxes. Where to now?Leo Roberson
- Williamson, Georgia
A. I have experienced exactly the same problem as all you great guys out there, when looking for a supplier of dark-green wrinkle paint.
Over and over I got the same depressing answer "I'm sorry sir, but this product went out of production more than thirty years ago"
There might after all be hope for all of us, as I just spoke to the owner of a very old paint manufacturing company, which is in fact still making black wrinkle paint.
I asked him if he would be able to make other colors than black, and he said that he could possibly make a transparent wrinkle paint, which would allow buyers to tone it exactly to their specific needs.
He told me, that if it will be possible for him to make a transparent wrinkle paint, I was bound to buy at least 300 liters. I'm posting this, in order to get an idea of how many of you guys out there that are interested in buying customized wrinkle paint colors. Suggested retail price would be around $25-30 per liter.
If you are looking for a specific color in wrinkle paint, which is no longer available, let me know and I will see what I can do.
- Aarhus, Denmark
A. Hi all. Getting paint to wrinkle with automotive paint, as described before, is easy. spray on lacquer paint first let dry 5-10 minutes then spray on your desired top coat color with enamel paint. What happens, is the lacquer paint dries from the inside out, and the enamel paint dries from the outside in. When the two meet it causes the two to react. (almost, if not instantaneous) Hope that helps.
Painting, and baking with enamel works well too. While still relatively wet, place the part under a heat source, such as a heat lamp, or an old oven works well too. For some of you with sensitive camera, or telescope equipment, this won't be an option for you. You'll have to use the lacquer/enamel method. Do some test panels first, play around with varying dry times (for both lacquer and enamel), and paint film thickness's to get different degree's of wrinkle. Once you have settled on a formula that works, apply that to your project piece. Happy wrinkling.
By the way, some of the "hammer tone" paints use silicone in the paint mix. Paint won't stick to silicone, it will separate from it like the plague, this causes the paint to crater as it separates from the particles of silicone, resulting in a "hammered" look.Craig A. Castellano
- Chester, Illinois
A. I understand that spraying two coats of enamel, with a time lag in between, using different reducers may also create the wrinkle effect. In other words, first coat with a slow reducer, second with a fast reducer. This is also probably one reason why spray can products are so hard to work with; the necessary ingredients cannot be combined in one mixture.Geoff Fors
- Monterey, California
A. Regarding the use of "toolbox brown" wrinkle finish, it IS available in single spray cans directly from the toolbox manufacturer. I tried it in restoring an antique Atwater Kent radio and one of my toolboxes. Turns out it doesn't exactly match the color of my toolbox and is an almost abrasive-feeling texture, not the wrinkle effect. The original toolbox finish may be a powder coat as suggested in a previous post.Dave Allen
- Cincinnati, Ohio
Q. I am in a group for a car building project and we were suggested to use crinkle paint and wanted a little more info than we could get and any info any of you can give us will be most appreciated. Thanks for all your inputs.Andrew Hagle
- Bad Axe, Michigan
Q. Well, I have one for you and judging by the time in between responses I won't hold my breath. I am restoring an antique Brunswick "Challenger" pool table. It was built in 1939. It is made of wood but it has a (you guessed it) wrinkle finish. So has anyone reproduced a wrinkle finish on wood before?Tom Fraley
- Rochester, New York
A. I have been an auto body tech for about 27 years, if you want a wrinkle effect apply several coats of enamel letting each coat flash about 20 minutes but not set hard, then spray with clear lacquer. Each coat of clear wait about 10 minutes between coats to get the wrinkle effect you want, I also play around with old radio equipment and this works well for me.Jack E.Smith
- McKeesport, Pennsylvania
A. I once sprayed a set of oak cabinets that already had been finished. I used latex in an airless sprayer. I sprayed on way to much paint so I took a roller and rolled it to keep it from running and it came out with a real heavy wrinkled effect. Probably resulting from the heavy nap roller I used. For a finer wrinkle maybe a lighter nap roller could be used. This only works for wood products.Leonard LaBerta
- Dickinson, Texas
Q. I was wondering where I could find some in a purple-ish Blue I've seen it on a Honda but I haven't found any.where can I buy some.I would greatly appreciate it if someone had the answer . . .Christopher Sexton
- Birmingham, Alabama
March 9, 2008
Q. Hi. I would like to know if a wrinkle paint in black is commercially available here in the Philippines.
Would need to get this for my director who wants to restore film cameras.
- Makati City, Philippines
A. I personally contacted the company that makes Kennedy toolboxes, which have the brown wrinkle finish on them. I'm restoring my thirty-six (36) year old machinist chest. The lady kindly told me that the wrinkle finish they used back then has been replaced by a newer process which is "proprietary" and they cannot sell any of this product, period. If I wish I can ship my tool box back to the factory and they will re-finish it for me. The quoted pricing was way too high. FIYDavid Chatman
hobbyist - Albany, Georgia
A. Hi guys,
I read your messages with great interest.
Many of you looking for wrinkled finishing and many giving interesting answers. After many hard researches I found an Italian company that produces the wrinkled effect. In their site, www.gasup.it, they published some colors; I called them because I wanted a brown color and they made it for me; they told me they can create every color. I don't know if this is true but I'm sure they made the one I requested. Take a tour in their website, maybe you can find what you are looking for. Denis
- Treviso, Italy
A. Wrinkling occurs because the base coat dries slower that the topcoat. A simple way to get this effect is apply one coat of a oil base primer that uses mineral spirits as a clean up solvent. Wait a few hours, or until the primer is slightly tacky, and then apply the color of your choice that is available in a aerosol. Make certain the aerosol completely covers the primerNick Nickelsen
- OKC, Oklahoma
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A. to get a wrinkle effect with paint, you need to speed dry the flash point.
acetone [linked by editor to product info at Rockler]works best, this low flash point thinner makes the coat dry rapid (seconds), unlike dragging paint which uses high flash rate thinners which gives you a longer time to play with the material (mins). the more thinner the more desired effect.
if you can't find an acetone thinner try nail varnish remover, though not easily available in big quantities.
this is an acetone, notice the thinner evaporates very quickly,
if mixed with paint the paint separates as the thinners evaporates. if using paint from an aerosol get the thinner on a rag + wipe over the product first but be quick to spray the object before the thinners disappears.
clearcoat - Manchester, England
February 19, 2009
A. the company is "Plasti-kote". the UPC is "071915002175". practice with it a few times to get used to it. trust me, follow the directions. you can find it at auto parts stores. they used it on hearse's, engines, or just a spray on vinyl. this is not bedliner spray-on. it has a definite texture.Seth rose
- Atlanta, Georgia
August 21, 2009
A. Black wrinkle spray paint information can be obtained from the Plasti-Kote website www.plastikote.com in the Automotive section.
- Reno, Nevada
February 19, 2010
A. Wrinkle finish spray paint is available from VHT in Black or Red. It is available online =>
- Long Beach, California
July 18, 2011
A. For everyone looking for a red wrinkle finish, search VHT Wrinkle plus! =>
- Vancouver B.C., Canada
A. A wrinkle paint that works well is an italian product used by Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini to paint engines parts.
The manufacturer is Univer Sokema.
A. Illinois Bronze was the company that made different colors of spray wrinkle paint cans. The company was purchased by Sherwin Williams I believe. The stuff from the auto parts stores works well if you put it on as the instructions say-fairly heavy-then bake it, but not too hot, maybe 100-125 degrees F. Then as time goes by, it does harden up, just takes a while. Small parts finish pretty nicely, not the best for big parts.John Todd
- Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
February 26, 2012
Q. To Terry D: you state you have six cans of krinkle paint but you don't know if it works. What is the name of the company that is shown on said cans??Tom Smith
- Broadview Hts., Ohio
A. I restore old pressed steel toys. One of my projects was a thirties tricycle in carmine red. (Where are the beautiful reds of yore!).
My problem was that the tricycle seat was the same color as the tricycle but wrinkle finished. I used oil based enamel for the job. Fortunately, I found a quick and easy solution.
After dip-painting the seat I "baked" it for about twenty minutes at about 140°. After cooling, I sprayed the seat with auto lacquer thinner with an air brush. I got my wrinkle finished seat!
You can experiment with the above process to meet your particular circumstances.
- Chicago, Illinois
A. This is to everyone looking for ways to "wrinkle" finish auto, electronic and other metal parts. Here are a couple of links to people who have followed the directions on the can of paint and successfully obtained a wrinkle finish.
www.arrl.org/wrinkle-finish-paint; this second one is dealing with electronic enclosures which are usually aluminum. If the material is sheet steel then I think you can safely omit the zinc primer.
www.fancollectors.org/info/wrinkle.htm; here is another one from someone who refinished antique appliances.
Good luck everyone.
- Trufant, Michigan, USA
A. I have a hard time spraying paint without it wrinkling. I get too anxious for the paint job to be completed. Using enamel paint, I paint the whole job with one coat of paint that is enough to cover without running, then as soon as I get done I start all over again. Wake up the next morning and instant wrinkle finish.John Deming
- Houston, Texas, USA
A. There is one trick I know works, but which I have never tried personally. You will need one NON FLAMMABLE BOX with ventilation holes on the bottom and top large enough to hold the part you want to paint. Apply one generous coat of paint on the surface and then place a heating element (like one or more light bulbs) to gently heat the air inside the box but far away from the part.This will dry the outer skin quicker than the inside layer and give a wrinkle finish for a fraction of the price of the spray cans. It should be like this until fully dried. The heat amount will define the effect you get.
PS1: This was made by my Grandfather to restore photographic equipment and he usually did it with candles but you'd better make on the safe side and keep the flames away.
PS2: If you spray one fresh paint coating with water and let it to dry you can get a cool ripple effect. The finer the spray drops the finer the ripple. This I've tried and it works.
- Lisbon, Portugal
A. You may use DCO based short oil alkyd (60%)about 47% and 2% black and remaining Xylol and 0.5% cobalt octoate and 0.2% manganese octoate. Spray application and the coated panels to be packed at 120 degrees for 1 hour. You can get wrinkle finish. If you want olive drab color add 2% yellow oxide.SEENIDURAI PANNEER