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45086
Local serious pitting on heating coils -
any thoughts? [UK]
May 4, 2007
Serious corrosive attack seen on the heating coil of a chemical
cleaning tank by pitting and through wall perforation.
Tank holds hot caustic solution for de-rusting and de-greasing of
ferrous components, heated by steam from coil, solution at 85
centigrade approx, with aeration from tank bottom for circulation.
Tank, coil and securing brackets material is 316 stainless, and only
10 months old.
Coil is fastened to side wall of tank, so is vertical.
Attack on pipes is perfectly round pits concentrated along a 20mm
band on underside of the pipe, but only on the straight lengths, not
the bends, and worse at the top length(hottest?) diminishing towards
the bottom (coldest) part of the tank.
Scale is present in most pits, but some are bright and clean. Some
scale is present near the pitted areas but none on the rest of the
circumference.
Side wall fastening brackets are unaffected but area directly under
brackets is partly scaled and partly severely affected by gross
pitting. Affected areas here are smooth and bright like a galvanic or
eroded finish.
HELP!
My thought for the bracket area deterioration is that there might be
local boiling under the brackets, with cavitation/erosion by the
collapse of bubbles.
My thoughts for the coil attack are held up by the difficulty of
accepting how the attack could become so localised along a 20mm band
on the pipe underside.
But I don't think the solution should boil, or the aeration bubbles
should 'stick' to the pipe undersides.
All thoughts welcome.
Regards,
Martin Rich
Metallurgist (believe it or not) - Plymouth, UK
Ed. note: Sorry for the delay, pictures added 5/15/07
Ed. note: Sorry for the delay, pictures added
5/15/07
First of three simultaneous responses -- May 11, 2007
Wow, this is a good one. (1) Is there any reason to suspect Sodium
Chloride or other chloride in the Caustic Soda Solution? Tap Water?
(2) Even though everything is 316 stainless, some is rolled sheet,
some is pipe, some is bent pipe. All you have to do is bend a piece
of stainless, plunge it down in an electrolyte, especially in the
presence of chloride, and you get galvanic corrosion.
(3) Is any stray a.c. or d.c. coming in on the steam pipe?
Get out your Simpson meter set it on lowest voltage reading, and
start looking for some stray induced current or some galvanic
current- one volt and 50 ppm chloride and you will corrode.
Second of three simultaneous responses -- May 14, 2007
Probably, etching of the SS by ferric chloride where surface
overheating occurs within trapped bubbles (either steam or air).
Boiling is possible: Low pressure steam @ 248°F (120 °C) is
capable of boiling solutions up to 34 wt% NaOH. Also, cheaper NaOH
may contain considerable NaCl: 50 wt% diaphragm grade caustic soda
solution contains up to 1 wt% NaCl.
"Where iron contamination or corrosion is unacceptable, epoxy lined
steel, 316L and 304L stainless steels are recommended. 316L and 304L
stainless is acceptable to 200°F. At temperatures above
200°F, nickel is typically used but Monel®, Inconel®, or
Hastelloy® can also be used.
...
Where heating is required, an external heat exchanger with a
circulating pump or internal steam heating coils are most commonly
employed. The preferred materials for the coils are nickel,
Monel®, or Inconel®. Despite this, stainless steel is most
commonly used because of cost considerations. (At high temperatures,
stainless steel may crack)."
Information mostly from the OxyChem Caustic Soda Handbook:
http://www.oxy.com/oxychem/Products/caustic_soda/literature/caustic%5B1%5D.pdf
Possible solutions:
Add surfactant to minimize the size and adhesion of trapped
bubbles.
Switch to purer, rayon/membrane grade NaOH.
Use a more resistant (higher nickel) alloy heat exchanger.
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Ken Vlach
- Goleta, California
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Third of three simultaneous responses -- May 15, 2007
My guess is electrolytic attack. Try a multimeter between the coil
and the tank.
The bottom of the heater "box" appears to have overheated; has the
tank boiled dry? Do you have a level controller and cutout?
The dead length of the heater seems to be very short. The heated part
should be well below the surface; best near the bottom otherwise the
solution is only heated at the top.
What is the red coating inside the tank? Or is it standing on the
floor?
You should only need a MS tank and heater for a caustic degreaser.
Did you get this from a process tank supplier or the local tin
basher?
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Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England
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May 16, 2007
First of all, thanks for the responses, keep 'em coming.
I'll try to find out if Chloride levels are implicated -might be
difficult now since tank is drained. As will stray current effect.
Tank has definitely not boiled dry since there are good controls and
cut-outs but coil is approx 3ft 6in in height; tank is approx 6 ft
deep, so coil is highish,(too high?) Pic 1 shows coil is dismantled
and lying on shop floor. Any more thoughts on the location of the
pitting at the narrow band - Pic 2? and the scale?
Martin Rich
Ship Repair - Plymouth, UK
First of two simultaneous responses -- May 18, 2007
Sir:
The heater coil and tank should both be made of mild steel. The
caustic soda (sodium hydroxide) almost certainly contains chloride
and perhaps fluoride which both attack stainless. Bubbling air in the
caustic converts hydroxide to carbonate (due to the carbon dioxide in
the air). Thus over time all the hydroxide is converted to carbonate
rendering the solution useless.
Regards,
Dr. Thomas H. Cook
- Hot Springs, South Dakota, USA
Second of two simultaneous responses -- May 18, 2007
I agree with all of the above posters that that looks like
galvanic corrosion. Would it be possible to apply galvanic protection
to these coils?
Either a sacrificial anode could be attached to them (made of
magnesium, perhaps; any metal but aluminum or zinc that is higher in
the electromotive series than iron) or the coils made cathodic by an
impressed negative potential of a few hundred mV.
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Dave Wichern
- Bronx, NY, USA
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