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Letter 42017
Ever notice a buffering effect in a
sulfuric anodizing tank? [California]
August 24, 2006
Hello all,
I'm curious if anyone else has ever noticed a buffering effect in a
sulfuric acid anodizing tank. We run our 700 gallon tank at or around
27.5 oz/gallon (205 g/l) and use a anopur filter unit to keep the
aluminum level at around 1 oz/gallon (8 g/l). Both numbers will
fluctuate a bit, but the strength tends to stay between 25 and 29,
though the CpK isn't what I would wish of it. The dissolved aluminum
will vary between .5 and 1.4 (4-12 g/l) but tends to be pretty
consistent at the 1 - 1.2 range. All additions or changes to the tank
are made manually.
I check the concentration once a week with a pH meter/titrator from
Thermo-Orion, pulling a minimum of two samples and going back for
more if there is more than a few percent discrepancy between the two.
I just dip the samples out in a lab cup and then pull a 1 mL sample
for the titration, but I air agitate the tank vigorously before and
while I pull the sample from the tank so the solution should be
pretty standard throughout. At times, while trying to improve the CpK
of the concentration, I've checked it as frequently as daily -
however we run so much product (4000 square feet of surface are is a
fairly normal average, sometimes quite a bit more) that I can't seem
to get rid of the last bit of variation.
The thing that throws me is this - on an infrequent and very random
basis, I'll see sudden and drastic swings in the concentration,
almost like what you see during a titration when a buffer runs out.
For example, my tank just had a 10 oz/gallon swing (30 oz/gallon to
20 oz/gallon) in a week with nothing abnormal being done, the same
operators as always, and a normal amount of work being processed. For
the couple of weeks leading up to this, the tank has been abnormally
high even though we were adding less acid than normal. During periods
when I checked more often (and I'm starting, as of today, to check it
daily) I've seen similar swings happen in as little as 2-3
days.
I would half suspect operator error, but all of our addition records
(and chemical usage records based off of orders placed from our chem
supplier) seem ok. Next I would suspect equipment issues - like an
error in the Anopur unit - but every time I check it it tests out as
working perfectly. I've come to finally chalk it up to something
weird happening in the bath chemically - like the dissolved aluminum
or other metals (we run all alloys, but especially 2000, 5000 and
6000 series; not many cast parts) in the tank operating as a buffer
that will suddenly tie up or release free acid.
So, has anyone ever heard of something like this happening? If so,
any idea on how to prevent it?
Thanks as always,
First of three simultaneous responses -- August 25, 2006
Jim, based on your frequent replies, I am assuming that you run a
professional shop, so will leave out the normal replies.
I always used a colwissa ( a piece of 1/4" cpvc) and sampled a rather
large number of places in the tank into a large beaker, mixed this
and took the sample from that.
It takes a large tank a long time to reach a true equilibrium, so are
samples taken at least an hout after any chemical or water
additions?
Orion, makes a fine instrument, but could it be overshooting or
undershooting the endpoint at least differently from day to day. The
titrant reaction with the aluminum content variability could affect
the outcome.
Drag in could be a factor unless all of the parts are the same.
Good luck in finding your gremlin.
Jim Watts
- FL
Second of three simultaneous responses -- August 25, 2006
Hi Jim -
Have you considered stratification of the bath solution? If the
solution has gotten well aged and viscous or if your mixing is not
too good you might see this.
Terry Tomt
- Auburn, WA
Third of three simultaneous responses -- August 25, 2006
Jim
We experience some similar situations from time to time.
In a past life in California, our anodize solution titrations were
fairly predictable. Type II anodize solution would lose volume
through dragout and the Type III would accumulate volume through
condensation. Acid concentration would drift lower and aluminum
content would steadily climb to 15+ g/l. The trend over many years
was consistent.
Now in Colorado, we see the aluminum content peak at 10 - 12 g/l with
occasional dips or spikes. The parameters are near the same- similar
concentration, same alloy cathodes, same temperature, same
maintenance- add acid (tech grade) as required, processing primarily
6000 series. Sometimes I think the aluminum content may be reaching
an equilibrium between that dissolved, and dragout, but something is
telling me this is not right. I expect our results to be similar to
CA results. We are running production parts in one tank, but all
three tanks demonstrate the same tendencies.
We titrate a 5 ml sample with 1.00 N NaOH for total, and again with
10 ml KF (10%) for free.
I would be interested as well in hearing about similar situations.
Willie Alexander
- Colorado Springs, CO
August 28, 2006
I much appreciate all the quick responses - my thanks to all three
of you.
I've toyed with the idea of sampling from various areas of the tank
before, but always just assumed that vigorous air agitation was
sufficient to make it unnecessary - based on the fact that 2 of you
both suggested similar things though, possibly I should rethink my
assumption.
The time it takes to reach equilibrium I've noticed before - in
retrospect I'd say that there is a fairly high probability that that
is factoring in... Thank you for pointing it out, it is definitely
possible that these extreme swings are just the product of
artificially high and low readings caused by the tank not settling
down yet after an addition.
It definitely sounds like I should look for the cause in areas like
the tank not yet being at equilibrium - it appears my long-shot guess
of some kind of buffering action is pretty unlikely, not too
surprising seeing how I've never heard of it happening
elsewhere!
For Willie - I've heard of an equilibrium being reached like what you
suspect, especially when the parts doing the dragout are racked in
such a manner as to encourage or discourage dragout (based on the
situation). It may be that the Colorado shop is racking the parts
differently, or that you are running differently shaped parts now. My
understanding is that if you can get such a equilibrium going it
turns out to be a great way to run a tank. I've never had the
opportunity to try it - the demands bulk anodizing puts on a tank
make that way to tricky!
For Jim - as an aside, I appreciate the compliment that you've
noticed my replies; I've picked up quite a bit from reading your's
over the years! Accurate Anodizing has beeen in business under
current ownersip for over 25 years, specializing in bulk anodizing
since we started. Our main focus is on automotive fasteners (there is
a reasonable chance that the rivets holding your windshield wipers on
were done by us!) but we also do aerospace and some straight
commercial stuff (my personal favorite is aluminum rings for
chain-maille).
I'm going to start watching the time between water or acid additions
and sampling a little tighter, it if turns out to be something else,
I'll post it for the sake of the discussion.
Thanks again!
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