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Letter 34041
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If you don't have answer then pls keep mum rather criticizing someone. No question is vague. Maybe someone has solution to my problem which you don't have.
Manish Dhyani (returning)
- New Delhi, India
Ted's answer sounds to me like a perfectly reasonable answer (perhaps the ONLY reasonable answer) to a simple straightforward question. What's your problem, Manish?
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Bill Reynolds |
Mr Mooney is correct, your question is far too vague for anyone to give you a sensible answer. What material are you descaling? What is your current process? Why is it now not acceptable? What is the final use of the part?
Without this sort of information any of the experts that contribute to this site could write a book on descaling methods, both chemical and physical.
Sorry to have to contradict you Manish, but much more information is needed.
Brian Terry
helicopters - Yeovil, Somerset, UK
Well, I think it is too vague! You fail to mention if it is gas, arc, tig, mig, laser or electron beam welding. You also fail to mention if it is on hot or cold rolled steel, chromolly, cheap stainless, high nickel stainless or titanium.
Finally, you do not mention if it is a tiny or a massive part.
In answer to your question, the only methods that I am aware of are chemical and mechanical. You appear to rule out chemical, so that leaves mechanical. You ruled out sand blast, so that only leaves shot blast and manual. You did not like Ted's manual, so that leaves shot.
The quality of a response is directly proportional to the quality of the question.
James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
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+++++ Even though I apologized, I was still feeling shame on myself for an inadequate and embarrassing letter some days ago. Though not the same situation, reading this correspondence made me feel a little better. Impossible not to hurt someone´s feelings ever. Thanks, Ted for this educational and at the same time, amusing site. Guillermo Marrufo
You have contributed tremendously to this site, Guillermo, and myself and all of the readers greatly appreciate it. You are right that it is impossible to never offend anyone :-) |
We are manufacturing electronic control panels. (Enclosures)
material : CRC sheet
current process : 9 tank hot spray phosphating system
degreasing/degreasing/water rinse/water
rinse/activation/phosphating/water rinse/DI rinse/DI rinse
I know very well that without adding/using a descaling stage in my current process, I can't remove the welding scale. But this is not my problem. My problem is that is there any other solution to solve this problem which is both cost and time effective.
Manish Dhyani (returning)
- New Delhi, India
Hi there,
Maybe you should look for an answer in the kind of welding process you are using. MIG is an option, it can diminish scale. Look better in preventing the problem.
Saludos.
Guillermo Castorena
jobshop plating - San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Being new to this site, I couldn't help but feel that you guys are
a little unfair to Manish. Manish asked about removing "scale", a
byproduct of metal/steel being heated and cooled causing an oxidized
byproduct called scale. The couple of responses regarding using Mig
or Tig to reduce the "scale" makes me think that you are confusing
scale with slag - a byproduct of most welding processes-which use a
flux coating on the welding wire, namely, "stick welding".
Having said this, if you remove the chemical or sand blasting
processes, all you have left is mechanical, i.e. power brushing
followed by an alcohol based cleaner(fast drying)to wipe away the
minute particles. Then you paint either clear coat or color to
protect the base metal. Never introduce water to clean as this will
cause the rusting process rather quickly thereby defeating the whole
purpose. Did I misunderstand the question?
Boyd
Boyd Delk
- Cleveland, Georgia
Thanks, Boyd! You're probably right that my response confused slag with scale.
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, and Manish's 3rd posting includes some good detail. But people asking questions outnumber those who answer them by a hundred to one, and if the forum is to be useful, we can't post thousands of questions that remain unanswered; rather, we must ask for clarification so the questions get answered. For the forum operator to "keep mum" when questions are posted which are vague and which are drawing no responses isn't really an option. Thanks again, and please continue to participate.
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