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Ken Lemke |
High pressure steam is not usually used; instead, almost all black oxide tanks have their own gas burner system, so that they are heated rather like a pot on a stove.
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I also need help with black oxiding. I wish to black oxide a restored classic rifle. Many years ago i used this process to good effect. While I still have potassium nitrate, caustic soda, etc. I can not find my notes with the correct formula, can anyone give me the proportions to obtain the correct super saturated solution. many thanks. Maurice
MAURICE S
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It seems to me this black oxide process is very interesting and have good commercial value. Is there any resource for person like me to just read and learn about the technique? I do not intend to pry on any one's secret technology, just want to read something which is declassified.
Any info will help.
Thanks a bunch,
From the painted dessert of Arizona!
Gautam B ![]()
- Arizona
I spend a lot of money annually outsourcing for black oxide finishing on low carbon steels. I wish to invest on a system that would allow us to do it internally. Could some one please assist us. What equipment is required, sources for chemicals, specs. Thanks
Michael W ![]()
- Windsor, Ontario
If you're not familiar with a process you could retain a consultant to simultaneously design it and educate you. But if you'd rather start the sequence by talking to salespeople, there are many suppliers including Electrochemical Products [New Berlin WI], and Heatbath [Springfield MA].
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Ted Mooney finishing.com Brick, New Jersey |
I want to know whole chemistry of the blackening process of iron. I am also interested in knowing the different methods of blackening of iron. How is the blackening film adherent to the parent metal?
rajesh s ![]()
- India
I'm wondering whether or not black oxidizing changes the coefficient of friction of a part? I'm looking into a coating that I could use on my inner Fork Tubes (motorcycle suspension)that would have a black/grey color and would either keep the coefficient of friction I have now or improve it. I looked at TiN and saw the coefficient of friction improves significantly, but was wondering if there was another material with a black color that does the same? Thanks.
Nic Burke
Hobbyist - Federal Way, Washington
Nic Dupont makes a product that is similar to Cookware coating. You paint this stuff on and bake it in an oven at about 400 Deg. If you go to there website you can find all the info you want.
Tim Wyatt
- Port Richey, Florida
March 2, 2009
I am working with corrosion resist manufacturing product company.i would like to know detail process of blackening . i want to know what is the process, which raw materials are used, and on which parts it can be applicable.
Sujit Patil
plating shop employee - sangli, maharastra, India
You need a gunsmith. I happen to be a gunsmith of 25 years. I
guess you are lucky I stumbled here by mistake. The simple formula is
as follows. 1 gallon of water, 2 pounds of sodium nitrate (or common
sodium nitrate fertilizer), 5 pounds of sodium hydroxide (common
lye). Operating temperature between 280 deg and 310 deg Fahrenheit.
Solution MUST be boiling! Too hot and not boiling, add water or parts
will rust (red oxide). Too cold or too cold and boiling, no reaction
(no black oxide). Boil off water until temperature comes up. Over
301^310 deg
Fahrenheit will burn the salts and kill the solution. Chemicals have
to be added periodically to replace carry out. Solution dies after a
certain amount of contaminants have been carried In. Certain
chemicals like aluminum will KILL THE BATH IMMEDIATELY! Rod
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Rod Henrickson |
March 28, 2009
To further my last post there was a typo. Over 301 deg Fahrenheit will burn the salts and kill the solution. It should read that exceeding temperatures of 310 degrees Fahrenheit will kill the solution. In truth it is about 330 degrees but the solution at the bottom of the tank is often much hotter than the solution at what ever depth the thermometer happens to be sitting at. It is wise never to exceed 310 degrees just to be on the safe side.
In the firearms industry it costs about $100 to $200 just to mix a new batch of chemicals. That is only about 10 or 20 gallons. I would imagine tanks large enough to blue oilfield or automotive components would have to be much larger. Enough said, DON'T overheat the solution. Bath time is not the critical thing in caustic bluing. Temperature is! If the temperature is correct for the type of steel that you are bluing the parts can be fully blued in 3 minutes or less. Remember that the solution must be boiling or red oxide will form. Don't ask me why I'm not a chemist but after doing it for 25 years I know for a fact that it is no old wives tale. The amount of water regulates the temperature of the solution not the heat source. Too hot, add water. Too cold, boil off some water. Watch the temperature and keep the solution at a rolling boil.
Plain old leaded, cold roll steel will turn dark black blue at around 280 degrees. Chrome molybdenum steel will turn deep blue at 300 degrees. Nickel steel will turn a slightly lighter shade of blue at 305 to 315 degrees. Chrome vanadium steel will turn a deep orchid purple at 300 to 315 degrees. The amount of rust prevention is dependent on the type of finish the part has, careful maintenance, IE keeping oil on the blued surface and the steel type. The higher the polish on the part the more resistance it will have to rust. The oil used should be non detergent. WD 40 and other detergent oils will strip the blue over time. Blued chrome vanadium is the toughest. Nickel steel the next. Chrome molybdenum and lastly cold roll steel.
Make sure all parts are completely cleaned and degreased before putting them into the tanks. Certain chemicals will kill the bath as well as some metals. An ounce of aluminum will kill 10 gallons of solution. As well as heavily chlorinated water. If you find your baths dying try using lake or river water. Although it will not really harm the bath avoid lead or parts that have been soft soldered together. The bath loves to eat lead.
This solution will not blue stainless steel. It will with the addition of certain chemicals, one of which happens to be sodium cyanide. I know how to make a stainless bath but I will never do it and I won't give you the formula, so don't ask! Besides it is against the law to possess sodium cyanide outside of a laboratory in Canada and I imagine it is in the USA as well. If it is not, it should be. If you must turn stainless steel black have it black chromed, Teflon or powder coated. There are a dozen outlets in every city that offer this. Rod
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Rod Henrickson |
Just an FYI, there are lots of companies around the country that
are set up to do the work for you. Cost is very reasonable. For
instance we charge a $10 minimum for the first 10 pounds, and 22
cents a pound there after. Don't be surprised if they charge a set
rate for fire arms. Stainless is also done here. The mixture is
commercially produced, so no need to handle cyanide or any other
dangerous chemicals.
If you have any reservations about the safety of the process, take it
to the professionals. Black oxide chemical mixtures will eat right
through your cloths and skin in a matter of seconds. Trust me, 40 yrs
of it and I've had my fare share of burns.
Michael Spencer
- Dayton, Ohio
Hello everyone.
I am a manufacturer of polished stainless steel (304) anyone can tell
me if it's possible to give a black finish to this material without
losing the bright appearance.
Best regards
Carlos Costa
- Portugal
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October 29, 2009 Hi, Carlos. A bright polished part should stay bright in the black oxide process, I think. Other bright finishing options include titanium coating it, black chrome plating it, or doing a special stainless steel anodizing process. Regards,
November 10, 2009 Rust Preventive oil and wax has been recommended to protect black oxidised part from corrosion. Can anyone know how to apply the oil / wax just after black oxidizing when there is black oxidizing solution or droplets present on the metal surface? Mabel Davidson
November 10, 2009 Hi, Mabel. I may be misunderstanding the question, but it is common to rinse the work after black oxide, then dip it in a water soluble wax or water soluble oil. If the finish is "bleeding" droplets, though, something is wrong with your process. Regards,
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